Episode 385: What We Need to Know About Forensic Psychiatry with Dr. Mark Levy, Part IV
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At a Kamala Harris rally in Michigan over the weekend, Michelle Obama delivered a powerful message about abortion rights and warned male voters. She said, “If we don’t get this election right, your wife, your daughter, and your mother will become collateral damage to your rage.”
This striking statement sets the tone for a larger conversation that I had with Dr. Mark Levy, a respected forensic psychiatrist, who explored the psychological dimensions of Donald Trump’s behavior and his impact on our society.
We recorded our conversation right after the May 30th verdict in the New York vs. Donald Trump case, where he was found guilty on 34 counts of falsifying business records related to an extramarital affair before the 2016 Presidential election. Rather than focusing purely on legalities, we delved into Trump’s behavior and his troubling attitude toward independent thinkers and the rule of law. With over 3,300 lawsuits and six bankruptcies, his track record raises many questions about accountability and integrity.
Dr. Levy categorizes Trump’s followers into three distinct groups, highlighting one particular group he finds most concerning. Yet, amidst the serious nature of our discussion, our conversation brought an unexpected sense of reassurance. Dr. Levy emphasized the importance of preserving our better selves during these trying times, echoing the sentiment that hope is still within our grasp.
With over four decades in the field, Dr. Levy isn’t just talking theory; he’s a seasoned clinical and forensic psychiatrist who has been an expert in over 500 civil lawsuits. He brings a unique perspective on how forensic psychiatry operates at the intersection of law and mental health. As he puts it, while the pathologist examines dead bodies, forensic psychiatrists like him analyze behaviors, cognitive capacity, and legal standards. Dr. Levy’s insights into Trump suggest a lifetime of reliance on others to bail him out, prompting us to think critically about leadership and accountability.
One of the most revealing terms Dr. Levy coined is “grievance contingency,” referring to a segment of Trump’s followers still clinging to outdated sentiments about the Civil War. This sparked a meaningful conversation about reparations and the ongoing efforts in Minnesota led by Governor Tim Walz. His commitment to partnering with the state’s 11 tribal nations is crucial to addressing historical injustices and achieving healing.
Tim Walz is the first governor in Minnesota to meet with the 11 tribal nation leaders in the state. It has led to a signed executive order to appoint tribal-state liaisons at state agencies and other empowering actions.
Additionally, I’ve been actively writing grants for the Open Road Fund, which supports Black communities in Minnesota, North Dakota, and South Dakota with $50,000 in wealth-building gifts to 100 Black families each year. This initiative aims to foster pathways to liberation and prosperity, honoring the resilience of ancestors and redistributing resources to uplift present-day descendants of the Transatlantic Slave Trade.
Such efforts confront our painful history head-on, providing opportunities for collective healing and a vision for an abundant future to build upon for the next generation.
As we approach the November 5, 2024, Presidential election, protecting your mental well-being is vital. Listen closely to Dr. Mark Levy’s insights and concerns, and remember to exercise your right to vote. Our democracy relies on your independent thinking and active participation—now more than ever.
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After listening, do these three C.A.L.M. Activities:
1. Take this risk or do this adventurous task: What civic activities, in addition to voting, can you participate in right now to help our Democracy move forward?
2. Apply Self-Compassion: Acknowledge that the question above will take some research and curiosity as you explore your options. Maybe you become an election judge, decide to run for City Council, or support a local candidate by door-knocking.
3. Welcome Appreciation: “I appreciate Dr. Mark Levy’s artful flair for psychotherapy and forensic psychiatry. It truly has shone through in his explanations and profound insights, making each of our four podcast conversations feel both validating and enlightening. Each time I listen, I learn a bit more about our Democracy. Thank you, Mark, for taking the time to help us understand the connections between forensic psychiatry, our behavior, and the law.”
It’s your turn. Start with, “I appreciate what I heard from today’s Guest Mentor, Dr. Mark Levy. I appreciate this week’s adventurous task because….”
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Mark Levy, MD, DLFAPA
Dr. Mark Levy attended Durham University, U.K. (1965-66), and is a graduate of Columbia College (A.B. 1967), the Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons (M.D. 1971) in New York, and the San Francisco Psychoanalytic Institute (1984) in San Francisco. He currently practices clinical and forensic psychiatry and has been licensed as a Physician and Surgeon since 1972 by the State of California and since 2004 by the State of Hawaii.
He was certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology in Psychiatry (1981) and Forensic Psychiatry (1999, recertified in 2009, 2019). In addition, he was certified by the National Board of Physicians and Surgeons in both Psychiatry and Forensic Psychiatry (2019).
He is currently an Associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at the School of Medicine, University of California, San Francisco, where he has been on the faculty since 1977 and has taught in the Law and Psychiatry Fellowship since 2000. He is also on the Faculty of the San Francisco Center for Psychoanalysis. He is the Founder, former Chairman, and President of the San Francisco Foundation for Psychoanalysis, a community service outreach organization. He is now also an Adjunct Associate Professor of Psychiatry at Stanford University School of Medicine.
Since 1975, Dr. Levy has been in full-time private practice, originally in psychiatry and beginning in the 1980s in psychoanalysis and forensic psychiatry as well. He has been retained as a forensic psychiatric expert in more than 500 civil lawsuits and related matters. He has testified in State and Federal Court on 64 occasions. He has never been disqualified from testifying as an expert by any Court in any jurisdiction where he was retained.
As a result of his service and contribution to the profession, Dr. Levy was designated a Distinguished Life Fellow of the American Psychiatric Association (“DLFAPA”) and has been an active member of numerous local, national, and international medical, psychoanalytic, psychiatric, and forensic psychiatric organizations, including The American Academy for Psychiatry and the Law. He has published numerous articles and presented countless talks, both in person and via webinars, to attorneys, physicians, and the general public on a wide range of forensic psychiatric topics. He has also been interviewed regularly as an expert by the print and broadcast media, discussing psychiatric and forensic psychiatric topics of general interest.
In January 2006, Dr. Levy established Forensic Psychiatric Associates Medical Corporation, of which he continues to serve as its medical director. In January 2020, together with his colleague, forensic psychiatrist Charles Saldanha, MD, Dr. Levy also established and serves as the medical director of Forensic Psychiatric Associates, L.P. (www.fpamed.com), a growing group of forensic psychiatrists and forensic psychologists that develop expert opinions for attorneys and Courts on behavioral issues within a broad range of civil and criminal matters. In addition, fpamed as a team specializes in assessing psychological injury claims from populations of litigants in mass tort and multi-plaintiff litigation. We have previously been retained in more than two dozen such cases.
Episode 385: What We Need to Know About Forensic Psychiatry with Dr. Mark Levy, Part IV
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