Episode 281: Beyond Carnism with Dr. Melanie Joy

Today’s conversation is about an aspect of relational literacy confronting us every day: a relational paradox that begs an answer to these two questions. “What enables caring people to participate in, or otherwise support, practices that harm others, be they human or nonhuman beings? And what, then, could help shift this psychological orientation?” Questions Dr. Melanie Joy found answers to by researching the psychosociology of eating animals, a phenomenon she named carnism.

What Dr. Joy concluded is this. “Eating (certain) animals results from extensive social and psychological conditioning that causes naturally empathic and rational people to distort their perceptions and block their empathy so that they act against their values of compassion and justice without fully realizing what they’re doing. In other words, carnism teaches us to violate the Golden Rule without knowing or caring that we’re doing so.” By deconstructing the carnistic system, she learned how violent or oppressive ideologies are structured. (Powerarchy, 2019)

When Melanie was twenty-three years old, she ate a contaminated hamburger (campylobacter) and became severely sick, needing hospitalization. Surviving this incident—and questioning other aspects of how she and most of the rest of us were raised—took her on a journey from meat-eater, vegetarian to vegan and activist, theorist, author, social entrepreneur, and the eighth recipient of the Ahimsa Award for her work on global nonviolence. The Dalai Lama and Nelson Mandela received this same award.

 Today, our purpose is not to transform you into eating a plant-based diet. However, the evidence is compelling if you do not want to die from heart disease, lung disease, digestive cancers, infections, diabetes, high blood pressure, liver disease, blood cancers, kidney disease, breast cancer, suicidal depression, prostate cancer, Parkinson’s disease, or Iatrogenic causes (dying from Doctors who know how to treat acute diseases, broken bones, and chronic infectious diseases but, do not know how to prevent disease)¹. So instead, we are here to create an awareness of Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows. Dr. Joy’s book was first published in 2010, and a tenth-anniversary edition was released in 2020. We discuss the global plant-based movement 10 years later and her work in over 50 countries.

You can get beyond carnism by bridging the gap between our professed values and those values we practice and by understanding the many ways carnism conditions us to be nonrelational. We discuss:
  • The tenants of carnism and how these tenants are woven into our systems.
  • Being trained to psychologically distance from our empathy.
  • Classifying animals as edible and nonedible.
  • How the dominant culture oppresses and what it teaches us about moral superiority.
  • What does eating meat have to do with nonrelational relating?
  • Do we think eating meat is normal or abnormal?
  • Becoming an Ally and being as vegan as possible.

An affirmative conversation you can lean into to get beyond carnism. DOWNLOAD

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After listening, do the following three C.A.L.M. Activities:

1. Take this risk or do this adventurous task: Three important relational values are respect, dignity, and integrity. Notice in your daily interactions if there is a gap between knowing these three values and implementing them.

You can know that respect, honoring dignity, and integrity is essential values, but not live them when interacting with others. Once you notice where the gap is, practice bridging it to show respect, honor one’s dignity and have integrity with yourself and those you interact with consistently. When you mess up, we all do; just begin again. Maybe add humor. In our family, our latest saying to each other when we mess up is ‘Do Better.’ A nonviolent and non-harming phrase that puts us on notice and at the same time gives us an opening or way to go forward, to do better next time. What you learned last week is mistakes are part of a healthy relating practice.

2. Apply Self-Compassion: After each interaction, give yourself and the other person a high five when you feel respected and when you honored each other’s dignity, especially during a high-risk conversation. One where you felt at risk of losing the connection with the other.

3. Welcome Appreciation: “I appreciate Melanie. I appreciate what it takes for Melanie to be a pioneer with others in advancing a global movement. I appreciate Melanie’s courage and commitment to initiating a global movement by founding BeyondCarnism.org and authoring her six books that are helping us practice nonviolence and non-harming in all areas of our lives.”

Your Turn. Start with, “I appreciate this week’s adventurous task because… I appreciate my ability to show up and be present. I appreciate overcoming this _______ relational disconnect I have become aware of, etc.”

“Most of the problems in our lives and world are caused by relational dysfunction, a dysfunction in how we relate: as social groups, as individuals, to animals and the environment, and even to ourselves. Therefore, developing relational literacy—the understanding of and ability to practice healthy ways of relating—is essential for personal, social, and ecological transformation.” —Melanie Joy, psychologist, author, theorist, educator
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Melanie Joy, Ph.D., Ed.M. is a Harvard-educated psychologist specializing in relationships, communication, and social change. She is an award-winning author of six books, including Getting Relationships Right: How to Build Resilience and Thrive in Life, Love, and Work, and Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs and Wear Cows. Dr. Joy is also an international speaker, trainer, and organizational coach. Her work has been featured by media outlets worldwide, including The New York Times, BBC, and ABC Australia, and she has been granted a number of international awards.  FB  IG  

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Episode 281: Beyond Carnism with Dr. Melanie Joy

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